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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2007, 10:53:36 AM »

I get errors on the first site when I load it.
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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2007, 11:46:58 AM »

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I get errors on the first site when I load it.


what errors do u get? it all seem to work ok for me..
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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2007, 12:11:37 PM »

run it by this

www.sitereportcard.com and you will see what we mean
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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2007, 12:23:30 PM »

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I tried to add a url yesterday, but i hadnt been a member long enough to add links  Tongue


the site that i am most concerned about is this one:

http://www.whittonlodge.co.uk/


this one also seems to have fallen down the rankings considerably too:

http://www.belvoircastle.com/


help!

You defiantly have some on page optimization issues which should be addresses.

your page title is too long (84) characters.  The engine will only display around 65 characters, but will parse like 70.  However, page titles are one of those times when less is more. Maybe something like. It's also not a keyword tag, yours is rather spammy, and only 67% relevant...Shoot for 100% relevant here.

Maybe try this...
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Luxury Bed and Breakfast Derbyshire UK - Whitton Lodge

This...(your existing one)
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Whitton Lodge – luxury bed and breakfast, b&b Chesterfield, b&b Derbyshire UK > Home
Aside from being too long, has a keyword list.  Additionally, your page subject is a much better opening term than the business name.  The subject/keyword phrases is what you are seeking and is given more weight by being first, it also have much better search volume than the business name.  I removed the ">" also, as I wouldn't use a special character of this nature in the head of your document.  The phrase "Home" is not needed and only dilutes your relevancy in the title.  Make all of your page titles unique, for best results.

Your Meta description is also too long, coming in at 353 character, when 240 is the recommended standard.  The description is 82% relevant, which is ok...But still too long and spammy.
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Whitton Lodge, is a luxury bed and breakfast with spa in Chesterfield, Derbyshire. We offer luxury B&B Derbyshire, B&B in Derbyshire, bed and breakfast chesterfield, bed and breakfast in chesterfield, B&B chesterfield, spa hotel Derbyshire, spa hotel in Derbyshire, Stables, Horse Services, equestrian services Derbyshire, Luxury Accomodation Derbyshire
I would reduce this tag to 240 or less, and this one is also not supposed to be a keyword tag, kinda spammy as well. Correct the spelling error, and create text that both describes your page(not site) in incites searcher to click your listing. This is a good place to put the business name first, as you have.

Your keyword tag,
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Whitton Lodge Chesterfield Derbyshire UK, Bed and Breakfast in chesterfield, B&B Derbyshire, Luxury B&B, B&B in Derbyshire, bed and breakfast chesterfield, spa hotel Derbyshire, spa hotel in Derbyshire, B&B chesterfield, Luxury Spa Hotel, Horse Services, equestrian services Derbyshire, Luxury Accomodation Derbyshire

Also contains the same misspelling, and is longer than I would use.  I recommend 10 phrases or keywords.  Also, the relevancy of the keyword tag is only 31%.  Really engines don't use this much anymore, but an irrelevant tag is defiantly not a goos thing.  Its' ok to go with a couple rogue keywords not supported within your text, but the rest should be relevant with contextual on page support. Additionally, this tag should be all lower case letters.  Remove the stop words from this tag also, words like if, it, the, and, are ignored by the search engines and are not necessary here.

Understand that the Flash on your page does not get read by the search engine crawlers.  I'm not saying you should get rid of it, put perhaps add a  H1 tag with a similar but not copy of the page title under it...First before the rest of the text. Heading tags can go a great distance to rank a page, their context is treated with priority as they address the heading of a section or page.  Maybe something like...
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The Whitton Lodge, Luxury Bed and Breakfast Derbyshire

Your page load time clocked at 53.30 Sec. on a 56k,  This should be 30 seconds or under.  Your biggest barriers in you page load are your images and the Flash.  The Flash is 247.19KB, defiantly optimize the size of this to improve your load time.

In the first paragraph of your page the links look kinda spammy as well.  Clearly for example no need to link to your page from the same page. I think it looks kinda bad aesthetically, but if you want to provide added navigation use shorter anchor text and link to the pages containing those services.

There are some more advanced issues with the page or site, but just the above should significantly increase your ranking ability. Just a side note, I would fix the words on the page with the CSS display set to none, these are considered spam.  I would like to think Google for example would not penalize a site for a simple template code error, but the climate is very unstable right now.

--Melanie
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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2007, 02:05:34 PM »

Thanks for your comments, was good getting someone else's perspective on the site.. will take them on board and make some changes to the site over the next few days..


One thing I still don't understand though is why the MSN rankings have suddenly completely disappeared... The site used to rank in the top 10 results for their keywords, but now they don't appear anywhere.

Why would this happen? We haven't made any changes to the site.. Even searching for 'Whitton Lodge' in MSN doesn't find the site.
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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2007, 02:22:49 PM »

If a search engine cannot make instant access then you will get dropped eventually
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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2007, 02:41:01 PM »

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If a search engine cannot make instant access then you will get dropped eventually


i don't really understand what you mean..

the site loads in seconds on my machine and it also loads in seconds on other peoples computers too.

i dont really see how this could be an 'instant access' problem because things are fine in Google & Yahoo.
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2007, 02:46:19 PM »

Edward - greetings - I just tried it and yes it was fine - but this morning it took ages - you have been given some great advice from Baby Chicken I suggest you concentrate on getting on with those alterations and then we can all take another look.

Cheers  David
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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2007, 02:58:03 PM »

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Thanks for your comments, was good getting someone else's perspective on the site.. will take them on board and make some changes to the site over the next few days..


One thing I still don't understand though is why the MSN rankings have suddenly completely disappeared... The site used to rank in the top 10 results for their keywords, but now they don't appear anywhere.

Why would this happen? We haven't made any changes to the site.. Even searching for 'Whitton Lodge' in MSN doesn't find the site.

MSN has changed........They are really trying to hit the quality and spam standards within their index.

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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2007, 02:58:09 PM »

I suspect its a case of MSN / Live updating their Algos. I've not checked your sites links but if as David said you've got zero visable links this is likely to be a major factor.

MSN just loves links!

Out of interest why the fuss about Live / MSN? How much traffic did it bring you? MSN brings me a tiny % of traffic despite some excellent rankings for some 'big' terms.
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« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2007, 10:01:11 AM »

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Out of interest why the fuss about Live / MSN? How much traffic did it bring you? MSN brings me a tiny % of traffic despite some excellent rankings for some 'big' terms.

For a high traffic site 5% could represent thousands of visitors a month, so it cant be overlooked.
I have a feeling this issue may be down to load time as mentioned before, the site I have lost from Live has just gone from static to database driven and I have noticed loading issues occuring. Strange how Live has been the only se to respond to this though. Maybe they have gone all intolerant?!!!  :?
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« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2007, 01:25:19 PM »

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Out of interest why the fuss about Live / MSN? How much traffic did it bring you? MSN brings me a tiny % of traffic despite some excellent rankings for some 'big' terms.

For a high traffic site 5% could represent thousands of visitors a month, so it cant be overlooked.

Maybe but the fact is it brings a tiny fraction of traffic in the UK market, so you would be better concentrating on Google traffic at the moment.

Besides MSN is a piece of piss to optimise for if you really want to, but i'm top for several LARGE phrases and they bring a tiny amount of traffic in comparison to high rankings on Google.

I agree that it is a concern that you've dropped out altogether but it looks like you've found the problem.
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« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2008, 06:44:43 AM »

If a search engine cannot make instant access then you will get dropped eventually

Will the speed of the loading of a page affect its ranking i Google?
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