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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2008, 02:02:20 PM » |
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Sorry mate, you have totally lost me - on my gmail account I have a spam box and it is full to overbrimming everyday - all of my incoming messages have sponsored ads on the page - those ads always reflect the topic of the message. If you wrote to me via gmail - I guarantee you that there will be adverts based on your text. Also Darren - you would never get a search result on an e-mail account - there are laws on e-mail addresses which even the freeones have to maintain You're receiving loads of spam emails because your email is plastered all over the web in directories etc. My email does not receive spam because I have not published it on any site anywhere. The link above for the google search shows results with your email in it. The reason the adverts reflect the topic of your email is because it must be like adsense which delivers ads... based on the content of the page. I take your point on my e-mail address - it is plastered everywhere (which has reminded me to put some wine in the fridge to cool Thanks Darren) - but the adsense info HAS to come via the same source - Big Brother mate!
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2008, 02:10:30 PM » |
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OK David... the day that Google stops supporting the open source community and releases an operating system that people have to pay for - i'll eat one of my hats. Otherwise the collection of anonymous information is no issue at all. This browser will not be able to collect anything along the lines of what you think they can.
At the moment they are a great company with a lot of great ideas, and whats even better, the only company with a chance of knocking microshite from their current position.
And no the adsense looks at the html on the page and uses that for the adverts - there is no big brother. You load an email based on beach balls, then you'll get adverts on a similar subject. Its an automated script.
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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2008, 02:18:38 PM » |
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Darren - this is from Google.
All of us at Google spend much of our time working inside a browser. We search, chat, email and collaborate in a browser. And in our spare time, we shop, bank, read news and keep in touch with friends -- all using a browser. Because we spend so much time online, we began seriously thinking about what kind of browser could exist if we started from scratch and built on the best elements out there. We realized that the web had evolved from mainly simple text pages to rich, interactive applications and that we needed to completely rethink the browser. What we really needed was not just a browser, but also a modern platform for web pages and applications, and that's what we set out to build.
On the surface, we designed a browser window that is streamlined and simple. To most people, it isn't the browser that matters. It's only a tool to run the important stuff -- the pages, sites and applications that make up the web. Like the classic Google homepage, Google Chrome is clean and fast. It gets out of your way and gets you where you want to go.
Under the hood, we were able to build the foundation of a browser that runs today's complex web applications much better. By keeping each tab in an isolated "sandbox", we were able to prevent one tab from crashing another and provide improved protection from rogue sites. We improved speed and responsiveness across the board. We also built a more powerful JavaScript engine, V8, to power the next generation of web applications that aren't even possible in today's browsers.
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2008, 02:25:49 PM » |
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Now - today we were writing a new page for one of our websites - Leslie e-mailed it over and it is short and sweet - but the adwords relate to text - a varience of text. Government Announcement Regarding Stamp Duty 2 September, 2008 Today the government announced that the stamp duty threshold has been increased from £125,000 to £175,000 for a period of just one year. After weeks of waiting, while the housing market ground has been grinding to a halt it seems that the announcement wasn't really worth waiting for - it falls well short of what the market had hoped for. Some believe there is a plus side and that now the announcement has been made it may mean the market starts moving again. Reply Forward New window Print all Sponsored Links UK Pound Crosses Rs. 86 Unmatched Exchange Rates, Overnight Free Money Transfer. Register Now! Remit2India.com/FreeMoneyTransfer Over £150 000 Remortages Over 5000 remortgage rates compared - instant online quote. www.remortgage.creditchoices.co.ukDIY Conveyancing Do your own conveyancing - download our pack of documents to guide you www.questbrook.co.ukThe UK's Best Tax Books Hot Off the Press 2008/9 Editions Plus Free Instant Downloads! www.taxcafe.co.ukStock Broker Ratings Is Your Stock Broker Doomed To Fail The Banks and Brokers X List. Free! www.MoneyAndMarkets.comProperty Tax Planning Guide to property tax&transactions Title offered by Tottel Publishing www.tottelpublishing.comChildcare Vouchers Childcare Voucher Provider of the Year 2007 - Outstanding service www.allsaveuk.com
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2008, 02:28:07 PM » |
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What it has done is extrapilated text from the sites using adsense - then it reads the message and does a mix and match - like I said - Love Google with all of your heart - but it will not weep at your demise
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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2008, 02:46:47 PM » |
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Here Darren - I hope this helps.
Google is watching you
'Big Brother' row over plans for personal database
By Robert Verkaik, Law Editor Thursday, 24 May 2007 Related Articles Steve Connor: They want to watch, but you can avoid them Print Email Search Go Independent.co.uk Web Bookmark & Share Digg It del.icio.us Facebook Stumbleupon
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Google, the world's biggest search engine, is setting out to create the most comprehensive database of personal information ever assembled, one with the ability to tell people how to run their lives.
In a mission statement that raises the spectre of an internet Big Brother to rival Orwellian visions of the state, Google has revealed details of how it intends to organise and control the world's information.
The company's chief executive, Eric Schmidt, said during a visit to Britain this week: "The goal is to enable Google users to be able to ask the question such as 'What shall I do tomorrow?' and 'What job shall I take?'."
Speaking at a conference organised by Google, he said : "We are very early in the total information we have within Google. The algorithms [software] will get better and we will get better at personalisation."
Google's declaration of intent was publicised at the same time it emerged that the company had also invested £2m in a human genetics firm called 23andMe. The combination of genetic and internet profiling could prove a powerful tool in the battle for the greater understanding of the behaviour of an online service user.
Earlier this year Google's competitor Yahoo unveiled its own search technology, known as Project Panama, which monitors internet visitors to its site to build a profile of their interests.
Privacy protection campaigners are concerned that the trend towards sophisticated internet tracking and the collating of a giant database represents a real threat, by stealth, to civil liberties.
That concern has been reinforced by Google's $3.1bn bid for DoubleClick, a company that helps build a detailed picture of someone's behaviour by combining its records of web searches with the information from DoubleClick's "cookies", the software it places on users' machines to track which sites they visit.
The Independent has now learnt that the body representing Europe's data protection watchdogs has written to Google requesting more information about its information retention policy.
The multibillion-pound search engine has already said it plans to impose a limit on the period it keeps personal information.
A spokesman for the Information Commissioner's Office, the UK agency responsible for monitoring data legislation confirmed it had been part of the group of organisations, known as the Article 29 Working Group, which had written to Google.
It is understood the letter asked for more detail about Google's policy on the retention of data. Google says it will respond to the Article 29 request next month when it publishes a full response on its website.
The Information Commissioner's spokeswoman added: "I can't say what was in it only that it was written in response to Google's announcement that will hold information for no more than two years."
Ross Anderson, professor of Security Engineering at Cambridge University and chairman of the Foundation for Information Policy Research, said there was a real issue with "lock in" where Google customers find it hard to extricate themselves from the search engine because of the interdependent linkage with other Google services, such as iGoogle, Gmail and YouTube. He also said internet users could no longer effectively protect their anonymity as the data left a key signature.
"A lot of people are upset by some of this. Why should an angst-ridden teenager who subscribes to MySpace have their information dragged up 30 years later when they go for a job as say editor of the Financial Times? But there are serious privacy issues as well. Under data protection laws, you can't take information, that may have been given incidentally, and use it for another purpose. The precise type and size of this problem is yet to be determined and will change as Google's business changes."
A spokeswoman for the Information Commissioner said that because of the voluntary nature of the information being targeted, the Information Commission had no plans to take any action against the databases.
Peter Fleischer, Google's global privacy Ccunsel, said the company intended only doing w hat its customers wanted it to do. He said Mr Schmidt was talking about products such as iGoogle, where users volunteer to let Google use their web histories. "This is about personalised searches, where our goal is to use information to provide the best possible search for the user. If the user doesn't want information held by us, then that's fine. We are not trying to build a giant library of personalised information. All we are doing is trying to make the best computer guess of what it is you are searching for."
Privacy protection experts have argued that law enforcement agents - in certain circumstances - can compel search engines and internet service providers to surrender information. One said: "The danger here is that it doesn't matter what search engines say their policy is because it can be overridden by national laws."
How Google grew to dominate the internet
It's all about the algorithms. When Google first started up, in summer 1998, it quickly made its mark by being the internet's best, most efficient search engine. Now Google wants to know everything - all the knowledge contained on the world wide web, and everything about you as a computer user, too.
The key, at every step of the way, has been the methodology the company has used to catalogue and present information. The first stroke of genius that the company's founders, Larry Page and Sergey Brin, had while they were still in graduate school was to measure responses to an internet search not only by the frequency of the search word but by the number of times a given web page was accessed via other web pages. It was a revolutionary idea at the time, now copied by every one of their rivals.
A decade later, their technical brilliance is operating on an altogether more ambitious scale. Google is now a $150bn (£77bn) company and a seemingly unstoppable corporate, as well as technical juggernaut.
The big question, of course, is whether the idealism that first fired up Page and Brin can survive in a dirty corporate world where information is not just an intellectual ideal, but also a legal and political hot potato involving profound issues of privacy, intellectual property rights and freedom of speech. "You can make money without doing evil," runs one of their most celebrated mantras. Does that extend to signing a deal with China whereby its search functions will be subject to state censorship? The furore over that particular decision, made at the beginning of last year, still rages.
Google's activities thus touch on some of the key philosophical questions of our digital age. Because of its power and prominence, it will also be the benchmark by which we come to measure many of the answers.
Andrew Gumbel
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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2008, 02:49:13 PM » |
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I dont get your point?! Adsense is the script that looks at the content of the page and delivers an advert. How is this stealing/collecting any of your information? And... what has it got to do with this new browser?
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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2008, 02:52:10 PM » |
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With Google, it's never about the possibility of charging for an OS, browser, or other software. It's all about collecting data that can be combined with other data and used to better target ads to the web surfer. We all leave traces of different information across the internet, and Google wants to put all of the pieces of that consumer puzzle together. For example, what if you had a specific target demographic for your business that consisted of married men between 35 and 45 years old, college educated, making $75k-$150k per year, and were left handed - and Google told you they could feed your ad to that specific buyer demographic. That is what Google is trying to accomplish by combining data from every source and resource they can get their hands on. And they have the cash on hand to continue to break into new markets. Google IS Big Brother. With watching TV shows and movies on the internet becoming more popular each year, my guess is that Google is trying to find a way to tap into that as well. Imagine the ability to serve up not only geo-targeted video ads, but also buyer demographic driven video ads. So if over the last month I was searching the web for new car information and I visited a few home improvement sites I would see ads for Chevy, Toyato, Home Depot, and Lowe's. Stuff like that is coming. And it's not a matter of "if", but a matter of "when". Information is power. And Google is accumulating a lot of power. Hey - that might be a fun spoof article - Google uses the info it gathers, militarizes, and takes over the world 
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« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2008, 02:54:54 PM » |
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I dont get your point?! Adsense is the script that looks at the content of the page and delivers an advert. How is this stealing/collecting any of your information? And... what has it got to do with this new browser?
It has everything to do with your browser. Through your browser a company can track every web site you visit, every query you make, all the keystrokes you type, and then tie it in to your IP address.
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« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2008, 02:58:13 PM » |
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HeHe - it was not a spoof article it was in the Independent - and came second on the search Google and Big Brother  This is old but relevent http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/07/eu_foul_gmail/
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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2008, 03:12:36 PM » |
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There's another thing to consider. Google allows site owners to put Adsense on their sites to make money. What's to stop Google from paying people to put a Google Cookie on their web site?
There could even be different levels of Google Cookies. The first would be a basic tracking cookie that we already see on millions of web sites. But there could be more sophisticated cookies that saved data every time someone filled out a form or survey. As the Google browser reads these they could relay that information to specialized Google databases as part of the standard browser operation.
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« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2008, 03:15:58 PM » |
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Amazon has been doing that for ages - I have an amazon affiliate link via my book - everytime someone clicks the link - I get paid on every purchase they make on amazon within 30 days. 
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« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2008, 03:18:18 PM » |
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Sorry, still dont believe it. Show me a page where Google have outlined their plans themselves otherwise this is just a mish mash of opinions. There are companies everywhere collecting information like this David. Vodaphone now uses a proxy server on its mobile internet service for collecting information too. Microsoft collects information through windows and loads of the applications you use within windows do too. None of it matters anyway as the French are going to end the world in a few days... http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/science_technology/cern+to+launch+scientific+experiment+that+could+create+black+hole+/2370267
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« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2008, 03:30:51 PM » |
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Well in the meantime - let's assume that we are all correct in our views - BUT - I have shown real results - this are not plucked out of thin air - but based on my interpretations - I've asked KGun over, he knows more than a little about browsers.
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« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2008, 03:32:54 PM » |
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Are you all probably talking about the Google Add-On Extension (Toolbar)?
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