Would be nice if g o o gle would send a message saying that it is going to do one or the other and give a site time to make the fixes. This one strike and your out without any notice would really suck.
Sometimes they do it would be nice if they did it consistently and from a single source, I thought moving all the messages to the webmaster central was a great idea but it makes things very messy and hard for a third party to get the correct information.
I guess that a company could plead they didn't understand what someone else is doing but if they're happy to let someone play around with their site (and their existence), which is rather like handing someone a mk47 just cause they ask you to, that for me is much worse!
Most companies that come to us are in this mess because that's exactly what's happened there are far to many companies out there using very bad practices for their "clients" and often using their clients sites as backdoors for more profitable ventures.
They get away with this because most clients are ignorant of how server and sites should work and have hired in (or thought they had) the professionals.
I'd rather banned than a penalty anyday.. Fix the problem .. Tell google ... end of...
Penalty your f**ked for years just cos on 1 link in/out some crap in the fog ect
Agreed banned site fix problem request reinclusion if problem is unsolvable move domain. Penalties are not always informed and their is no method except reinclusion requests (which may or may not work) to let google know that you may or may not have fixed the problem.
Algorithmic penalties at least you have a chance as it will be fixed in the next ranking change but manual penalty could be months or just days.